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#58 Variants on Fasting

Posted by ActsClass on 07 April 2014 - 10:21 PM



The textual variations on fasting are interesting, as the only example I know of where a significant doctrine depends on textual variations.  The text behind the KJV has fasting where the Greek text of the International Bible Societies does not have it. 


Here are some KJV exemplars:


Mat 17:19-21

Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?  20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. [21] Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.


From UBS and Comfort the textual support is:


omit verse 21 ℵ✱ B Θ 0281 Θ (038 Gospels; 9th c.)


33 579 892✱

ℓ 253 ite, ff1 syrc, s, pal copsa, bopt ethms geo1, A //


add verse 21: τοῦτο δὲ τὸ γένος οὐκ ἐκπορεύεται εἰ μὴ ἐν προσευχῇ καὶ νηστείᾳ (see Mk 9.29)


(ℵ2 ἐκβάλλεται for ἐκπορεύεται)


C D L W D ƒ1 ƒ13 28 157 180

(205 1505 ℓ 1074 ἐξέρχεται)

565 597 700 892c 1006 1010 1071 1241 1243 1292 1342 1424

Byz [E F G H O S] Lect (ℓ 184) (ℓ 514)

ita, aur, b, c, d, f, ff2, g1, l, n, q, r1 vg (syrp, h) cop(meg), bopt arm ethpp,

TH geoB slav Origen Asterius Basil Chrysostom; Hilary Ambrose Jerome Augustine




The external evidence against including this verse is substantial, including ℵ✱ B (the two earliest manuscripts), 0281 (a seventh-century manuscript discovered at St. Catherine’s Monastery in the late twentieth century), and early witnesses of Old Latin, Coptic, and Syriac. If the verse was originally part of Matthew’s gospel, there is no good reason to explain why it was dropped from so many early and diverse witnesses.

unQ -- Comfort





Mark 9:28-29

And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?  And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.





Acts 10:30 

And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,"


UBS-IV & ASV:  καὶ ὁ Κορνήλιος ἔφη, Ἀπὸ τετάρτης ἡμέρας μέχρι ταύτης τῆς ὥρας,

And Cornelius said, Four days ago, until this hour,

ἤμην τὴν ἐνάτην [the ninth] προσευχόμενος [praying] ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ μου,

I was keeping the ninth hour of prayer in my house; …



Q {B} τὴν ἐνάτην [the ninth] P74 ℵ A✱ B C 81 945 1739 1891 itc, dem, p, ro, w vg copbo (arm) eth geo //


νηστεύων καὶ τὴν ἐνάτην [fasting and the ninth]

P50 A2

(D✱ τὴν ἐνάτην τε, D2 omit τε)

(181 καὶ after ἐνάτην)


(1409 omit τὴν ἐνάτην)

copsa, meg //


νηστεύων καὶ τὴν ἐνάτην ὥραν [fasting and the ninth hour]

Y 36 307 453 610 614 1678 2344 Byz [P] Lect syrp, h slav Chrysostom

(itar, d, e, gig, l, ph, ro Greek and Latin mssacc. to Bede, but with differences in the sentence) //

νηστεύων (and omit τὴν ἐνάτην ... οἴκῳ μου)




While the UBS rates omission of fasting in Mat 17 with an A certainty, in Acts 10 the certainty is only rated as B, probably because there is a papyrus which supports its inclusion.  (UBS rates certainly on a scale of A, B, C, & D.)  It should be noted that Acts 10 is not normative for doctrine on fasting, since it is an historical record (not didactic), and Cornelius could be expected to be following contemporary Jewish customs.



1 Cor 7: 5

Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.




As a final observation, one may also observe that sometimes where the KJV has "fasting," a modern translation may have something like "hungering," on the understanding that the same Greek word translated "fast" (as a religious practice) can also refer to the simple state of lacking food or not eating.




[emphasis above is  mine]

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#727 Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to you and beyond

Posted by Shnoodle on 17 December 2014 - 01:48 AM


#merry #christmas #happy #holidays #toyou #and #beyond


I wanna wish you a Merry Christmas from the bottom of my heart!


top too.

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#708 Ps 74:7-8

Posted by clark thompson on 05 December 2014 - 12:28 AM

Psalm 74:7King James Version (KJV)

They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground.


Psalm 74:7Amplified Bible (AMP)

They have set Your sanctuary on fire; they have profaned the dwelling place of Your Name by casting it to the ground.


Amplified Bible (AMP) Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation



These are my thoughts.

The world will be evil. We as Christians should ourselves do we look more like the world or more like Christ?

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#605 Roar: The New Conservative Woman Speaks Out, Scottie Nell Hughes

Posted by Curious on 26 September 2014 - 05:31 PM





WOW what a book this was for the most part and its author.  At the same time it was lacking in the editing area, and there was no dedication at the beginning of it.  I for one would rather prefer that she took her time with it and beyond.  Even through its consider a memoir, but still wish it was better.  Especially, the publisher part of it.​

When you posted, Scot-, it brought to mind the near secession of Scotland this past week.


Huh to your reply here because I don't get it the connection.  And need further explanation as to what you meant here.


Didn't you know that Scotland voted on whether or not to separate from the United Kingdom, separate from England, & go its own way as a totally independent nation?  So you posting of "Scottie" brought that to my mind, though it was not what you were posting about.


Huh because her name is Scottie and not from Scotland.  Well, at least as I know of.


Is she a good author?  What do you like about her & her book?

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#588 Roar: The New Conservative Woman Speaks Out, Scottie Nell Hughes

Posted by Sparky on 24 September 2014 - 08:51 PM


Good Dafternoon, Jessica,


Perhaps you should be a professional book reviewer.


Would you like to tell us a bit more about the book?

Are there really any conservative women?

Haven't all the liberals been elected by women?


Have a great day



Thanx, but no thanx to being a professional book reviewer.


Theres really nothing else to talk about here because it was somewhat confusing to read more then anything else.


I wonder how many people do much book reading, nowadays.  Probably many read electronic text now, like with kindle or internet.

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#544 Beyond new Starz original series Outlander (8/9/14)

Posted by Bramble on 09 September 2014 - 05:52 PM

Have you heard/seen about it? If so, have you watch it as of yet?  . . .

By the way its based off of Diana Gabaldon's Outlander Series.


Romans 1 describes the condition of persons such as produce Outlander.

[This Bible translation capitalizes references to the Old Testament.]


   Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus,   called as an apostle,  set apart for  the gospel of God,  which He  promised beforehand through His  prophets in the holy Scriptures,  concerning His Son, who was born  of a  descendant of David  according to the flesh,  who was declared  the Son of God with power  by the resurrection from the dead, according to the  Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,  through whom we have received grace and  apostleship  to bring about the  obedience of faith among  all the Gentiles, for His name’s sake,  among whom you also are the  called of Jesus Christ;  to all who are  beloved of God in Rome, called as   saints:  Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

  First,  I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because  your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.  For  God, whom I  serve in my spirit in the preaching of the gospel of His Son, is my witness as to how unceasingly  I make mention of you,  always in my prayers making request, if perhaps now at last by  the will of God I may succeed in coming to you.  For  I long to see you in order that I may impart some spiritual gift to you, that you may be established;  that is, that I may be encouraged together with you while among you, each of us by the other’s faith, both yours and mine.  And  I do not want you to be unaware,  brethren, that often I  have planned to come to you (and have been prevented thus far) in order that I might obtain some  fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles.   I am  under obligation both to Greeks and to  barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish.  Thus, for my part, I am eager to  preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome.

  For I am not  ashamed of the gospel, for  it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the  Jew first and also to  the Greek.  For in it  the righteousness of God is revealed  from faith to faith; as it is written, “  BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”

  For  the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who  suppress the truth  in unrighteousness,  because  that which is known about God is evident  within them; for God made it evident to them.  For  since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,  being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.  For even though they knew God, they did not  honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became  futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.   Professing to be wise, they became fools,  and  exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and  crawling creatures.

  Therefore  God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be  dishonored among them.  For they exchanged the truth of God for  a  lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator,  who is blessed  forever. Amen.

  For this reason  God gave them over to  degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is  unnatural,  and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another,  men with men committing  indecent acts and receiving in  their own persons the due penalty of their error.

  And just as they did not see fit  to acknowledge God any longer,  God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,  being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are  gossips,  slanderers,   haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil,  disobedient to parents,  without understanding, untrustworthy,  unloving, unmerciful;  and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of  death, they not only do the same, but also  give hearty approval to those who practice them.

  Therefore you are  without excuse,  every man of you who passes judgment, for in that  you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.  And we know that the judgment of God  rightly falls upon those who practice such things.  And do you suppose this,  O man,  when you pass judgment upon those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?  . . .

  What then?   Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both  Jews and Greeks are  all under sin;  as it is written,

  Now we know that whatever the  Law says, it speaks to  those who are  under the Law, that every mouth may be closed, and  all the world may become accountable to God;  because  by the works  of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for   through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

  But now apart  from the Law  the righteousness of God has been manifested, being  witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,  even the  righteousness of God through  faith  in Jesus Christ for  all those who believe; for  there is no distinction;  for  all  have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,  being justified as a gift  by His grace through  the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;  whom God displayed publicly as  a  propitiation   in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness,  because in the  forbearance of God He  passed over the sins previously committed;  for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who  has faith in Jesus.  Where then is  boasting? It is excluded. By  what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.   For  we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works  of the Law. 

[Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.


For whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.]

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#543 Beyond new Starz original series Outlander (8/9/14)

Posted by 21Street on 09 September 2014 - 05:37 PM

The series has nudity.

And they don't just cut to trees swaying in the wind for sex.

They have to go in the bedroom & watch to feed perverted lusts.

Are not Show Time, HBO, & Starz 3 peas in a pollution pod?

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#541 Beyond Madison Kimrey, 12 yr old, activist, aware, campaigner, charitable, pa...

Posted by Curious on 09 September 2014 - 05:09 PM

I mean is ​it ​just me that totally thinks Miss Kimrey, is still too young to start this​ and be very active in it. ​Especially, w​ith ​both her leanings on others to help and political leanings ​​(left, democrat, liberal, and beyond) being the way they are at the moment. As opposed to waiting it out and beyond ​. At the same time this also applies how old is too old for all this as well.​



interesting how so many kids think they know it all

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#527 What Women Really Want, Anne-Marie Murrel, Dr. Gina Loudon, and Morgan Brittany

Posted by Curious on 07 September 2014 - 03:42 PM

What did you agree with in the book?

What did you disagree with in the book?

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#523 I am at my wits end newbie with biography, expanding, and improving

Posted by Morrisville on 06 September 2014 - 11:45 PM

Welcome, Wits-End.  I like your screen name; it gives a chuckle.  Life indeed is beyond our wits.




Born with a Neurologically based speech impairment/apraxia-dysarthria. Suffering from depression/anxiety for awhile now. Still I’m not one, but have no to little income. Is supplemented by Social Security Disability. In which I’m glad for, but still wish I had other means as well, but in I still don’t. At the same time still don’t drive or intend to anytime in the future. Whom needs more of a life then what she has had so far. As opposed to what it has been for the most part of her life and etc. Yet to reach this stage of life and beyond. I’m of a student of life, clerical volunteer and currently looking for her next opportunity.


The only real hope there is, is in the Lord Jesus, our Savior.  Soon we shall all be gone from this life.  There is this promise being freely given all things in Romans 8 with a resurrected body and glorification.  He who spared not His own Son, but delivered HIm up for us all, how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things.




Thanx for creating and running all of this. Expect for the donations/memberships part of it because I for one can’t afford it.


If there is a way to donate to this site, I have never seen it.  Nor have I seen a solicitation for donations, though whoever puts out such a site has running expenses, which are justly shared, if nothing else.



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#51 Diligent Preparation: An Exortation (or Rant?)

Posted by ActsClass on 03 April 2014 - 04:35 PM

"Give diligence to present yourself approved to God, a workman who does not need to be ashamed,  handling aright the word of truth." - 2 Tim 2:15


How many lazy preachers are there who need to be ashamed on Sunday morning, ashamed of their boring sermons?  How many preachers long to have a church filled with persons, sitting in the pews, listening to them speak and donating substantial money into the offerings?  And why does the church not grow?  If Spurgeon or Ironsides were preaching would the congregation lack multitude?




Even many unsaved men can make an entertaining speeches which attract audiences.  But there must be multitudes of church-goers who are bored-out-of-their-gord by unentertaining, unedifying sermons.  The thing is that many men don't seem to understand that it takes diligent hard work to prepare an edifying sermon.


Now don't even think of preaching a sermon with no scripture.  We don't come to hear your word, but God's Word.  I can recall at least two times in my life when a knucklehead preacher preached a sermon with no scripture at all.  What you are called to do, O preacher, is to present God's Word accurately and apply it to our lives.  That requires diligent time spent analyzing and correlating the passage, along with prayer trusting the Lord for the required wisdom (James 1).


Then you need excellent illustrations.  The Lord Jesus ever used parables.  A good illustration grabs the attention.  And the illustration should illustrate the Word.  How many times have you heard and remembered an illustration, only not to have a clue now as to what the illustration illustrated.  I recall a preacher mentioning how he picked up his wife and set her on top of the refrigerator.  But I haven't a clue what that illustrated.


It is not bad to have a central idea so that the audience knows what your main point is and what you really want them to do (like empty your bank account and write a check to the church).


The introductory sentence needs to grab the attention.  How is this?:  "Blood on the wall, blood on the floor, blood dripping from the Television set.  My dog lay dead on the floor."  I had a friend who specialized in great introductions to his sermons.  They were great.  However, the rest of the sermon was by comparison a fizzle.  Thus a great introduction deserves a great sermon body and a great conclusion.


Now after you have figured out exactly what the passage means and the application(s) you should make to your audience, after you have outlined the sermon and then written out the whole sermon, introduction, body, and conclusion; you still have an incomplete task.  You must know your sermon so well that you need no notes, even if you take 1 sheet of paper with you to the pulpit with notes.   If you need notes, you don't know your sermon well enough.  You must know it so well that if a heckler stood up in the back and yelled back scoffings after every sentence you said, he could not throw you off the track.


It is suggested that you rehearse the sermon at least five times.  Preach it to the air, to your dog, to your wife, to the empty church pews, to the animals in the woods.  Get your voice adjusted to hold attention; rehearse your pitch changes, timbre changes, speed changes, volume changes, pauses -- any and every reasonable way to alter your voice to hold attention and emphasize the important.




Trust for Wisdom.



Invest the time & effort required.


"Give diligence to present yourself approved to God, a workman who does not need to be ashamed,  handling aright the word of truth." - 2 Tim 2:15

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#330 Heb 4:12-16 weekly devotions

Posted by Atwood on 25 July 2014 - 02:51 PM

Hebrews 4:14

KJV(i)14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Hebrews 4:14Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

14 Therefore, since we have a great cohen gadol who has passed through to the highest heaven, Yeshua, the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we acknowledge as true.

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved.


These are my thoughts.

Our Priest laid down His own life as a sacrifice for us.



Yes, He is a priest higher than Aaron;

A King greater than Solomon;

A Prophet greater than Moses.


One theme in Hebrews is the excellencies of the Lord Jesus.


Your helpful comments are appreciated.

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#311 The New Birth; Being Begotten of God

Posted by Dumboozle on 13 July 2014 - 04:35 AM

The New Birth;

Being Begotten of God.


I suggest that would make an edifying study.

As an opening hypothesis, I suggest that the Christian receives a new nature when he trusts Christ as Savior, and that when the Christian does good, he does it by nature, empowered by the Holy Spirit.  Also, I suggest that the new nature cannot sin, and this is one reason why the Christian has eternal security.  It appears to me that the passages in 1 John speak of the New Nature when they indicate "cannot sin," and that the continual/habitual present tense interpretation is wrong.  More on this later, hopefully.


I confess that I am not sure about whether or not the New Birth applies to OT saints, but it would seem difficult that they could ever do good or refrain from sin without this new nature; so I am inclined to think that they were born again when they trusted YHWH as Savior, even though Christ had not yet risen from the dead.

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#299 1 John 1:8 a common misinterpretation

Posted by Catalyst on 08 July 2014 - 04:19 PM

If it's not in poor taste, the thought is here...... So, most people assume you “will sin until you die”, because they can’t comprehend how that would work out any other way.  Therefore this verse must be proof of that, since there is no other verse that comes close to that claim of, ‘sin until you die’, in the Bible.


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#2265 Ps 91

Posted by clark thompson on 23 January 2017 - 03:22 PM

Psalms 91:9
KJV 9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
MSTC 9 For thou, LORD, art my hope; thou hast set thine house of defense very high.
These are my thoughts.
The Lord is our safety and He is who we should seek in times of trouble. 

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#1965 Jude 11-25 weekly devotional

Posted by clark thompson on 21 December 2015 - 06:14 PM

Jude 18 King James Version (KJV)

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.


Jude 18 International Standard Version (ISV)


18 They kept telling you, “In the last times there will be mockers, following their own ungodly desires.”


International Standard Version (ISV) Copyright © 1995-2014 by ISV Foundation. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED INTERNATIONALLY. Used by permission of Davidson Press, LLC.


These are my thoughts.

People will be doing whatever they want and follow after what they want more than anything else. 

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#1931 Ps 9

Posted by Bramble on 18 August 2015 - 03:13 AM

Psalm 9:3 King James Version (KJV)

When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence.


Psalms 9:3




MSTC 3 While mine enemies are driven back, they fall and perish at thy presence.



These are my thoughts.


People who stand against as Christians will often do so because they are running away from the Lord and they one day will either come to Him or face judgment. 


The Gates of Hell do not prevail vs the Church.  

Persons who persecute the Bride of Christ must stand to be judged by her husband.

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#1853 Ps 8

Posted by clark thompson on 14 April 2015 - 12:19 AM

https://www.youtube....h?v=ltzZIrhL4P0Psalm 8:1 King James Version (KJV)

O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.


Psalms 8:1


BBE 1  O Lord, our Lord, whose glory is higher than the heavens, how noble is your name in all the earth
These are my thoughts.

The Lord’s name is the only name whose praise never ends and is the only name that deserves our praise.

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#1132 Ps 7:13-17 devotionals

Posted by clark thompson on 04 February 2015 - 01:39 AM

https://www.youtube....h?v=zZLBavObbRwPsalm 7:15 King James Version (KJV)



15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.



Psalms 7:15


BBE 15 He has made a hole deep in the earth, and is falling into the hole which he has made.




These are my thoughts.


People will answer to God for misleading people and this is a trap they fall into themselves it is called judgment.

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#1043 Ps 7:13-17 devotionals

Posted by clark thompson on 28 January 2015 - 02:34 AM

http://youtu.be/8p3iI9MKd_wPsalm 7:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.


Psalms 7:14


BBE 14 That man is a worker of evil; the seed of wrongdoing has given birth to deceit. 




These are my thoughts.


Evil can only produce more evil this is why we need to be born again so we have a pure birth without the evils of sin.


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